The Addictocarb Diet: Why Give Up Chocolate [Interview][Transcript]

Dr_Bruce_Roseman_Addictocarb_Diet_Eliminate_ChocolateGuest: Dr. Bruce Roseman
Presenter: Neal Howard
Guest Bio: Dr. Bruce Roseman has been a Family Doctor in private practice in Manhattan for 30 years, and is affiliated with Mount Sinai Hospital where he holds joint appointments in the departments of Family Medicine and Ob/Gyn. He has served as medical editor for several food/health-related books and magazines and as a medical columnist. He is the author of A Kid Just Like Me (Penguin/Putnam, 2001), which details a popular method he invented to teach children with learning disabilities to read, and also The Addictocarb Diet.

Segment overview: Dr. Bruce Roseman talks about chocolate and foods to eliminate in the New Year as everyone thinks about weight loss and resolutions to live healthier.

Transcription

Health Professional Radio – Addictocarb Diet Eliminate Chocolate

Neal Howard: Hello and welcome to Health Professional Radio. I’m your host Neal Howard, thank you so much for joining us today. Valentine’s Day right around the corner, we’ve just got out of the holidays. We’ve gained weight, we’ve lost weight, we’ve made resolutions and many of us are saying “You know what, just forget it throw our hands up in the air and just give up.” Our guest in studio today Dr. Bruce Roseman, has been a Family Doctor at Practice in Manhattan for 30 years and is Affiliated with Mount Sanai Hospital where he holds joint appointments in the departments of family medicine and Ob/Gyn. He is also the author of the “Addictocarb Diet.” He doesn’t believe that weight gain is related to portion control and he is here with us to talk about some of the reasons why our New Year’s Resolutions to eat healthier just don’t work, and also why maybe giving up chocolate is not necessarily necessary. How are you doing today Dr. Roseman?

Dr. Bruce Roseman: I’m doing great, thank you.

N: Great. Chocolate – I don’t want to give it up, I know my wife doesn’t want to give it up and especially with Valentine’s Day right around the corner. Is that something that we have to give up? Is it as addictive as they say it is?

R: Don’t give up chocolate. No one ever gets fat from eating chocolate.

N: Really?

R: Yes, don’t’ give up chocolate. Now there is an entire section in my book on chocolate. But chocolate means a lot of things to a lot of people, okay. Dark chocolate is one thing okay, and milk chocolate is totally another. Milk chocolate causes diabetes, dark chocolate does not. Dark chocolate actually good for diabetes. Milk chocolate will end up… Milk chocolate is bad for you, dark chocolate is good for you. Pure and simple the bottom line is on chocolate and I go into this at length in the book, there’s a I know…there’s a whole chapter, a part of the chapter but there is a whole section on chocolate. Basically when it comes down to chocolate you should eat nothing less, you should try and stick to 70% or above. Seventy percent cocoa or cacao, so 70 to 74 or 76, 80 okay. You could probably get down as low as 60% and that would be okay for you. Anything under 60% you cannot have it, pure and simple, you cannot have milk chocolate.

N: Are we talking about the regular chocolate that’s in everybody that are in store? Are we talking chocolates that we have to look for and just get rid forget all the regular stuff like that?

(Crosstalk)

R: In all the stores that I go to, when I go to the corner where I live, they have like a whole thing of chocolates and there’s 60%, and 70%, 80%. I didn’t really think about it until I wrote the book and I went to all of the stores and I started taking pictures of everything. It’s everywhere it’s in a Whole Foods, it’s in Fresco, it’s in all the supermarket, They have sections of chocolate and you can buy whatever percentage you want. Godiva, I personally I eat a lot of Godiva there, I eat the 60% that’s about as low as I can go or sometimes I try the 72% that’s fine. It’s easy to get dark chocolate. And anyway I mean you can just look at the candy bars, if it says dark chocolate okay you can eat it if it doesn’t, it if says milk chocolate no you cannot.

N: Pretty cut-and-dry and simple, yeah?

R: Yeah, simple. I eat chocolate every single day.

N: So okay chocolate is okay, chocolate is basically our friend again. I’m glad to hear.

R: Yeah.

N: Let’s talk about some of these dangerous addictive carbs, are all carbs addictive or certain carbs?

R: No, all carbs are not addictive and there are plenty of really good carbs and carbs get a bad name, okay. Let’s face it, I mean strawberries, raspberry – they’re carbs but they are not addictive carbs okay. Nobody ever said “Oh I gee I sat down I eat a bowl of strawberries I could not stop eating and I keep eating them.” They are different from Oreos, you can’t just eat one Oreo, you’re gonna keep eating those okay … on Lay’s potato chips who can just one, nobody okay. So carbs are not the enemy, you cannot eat white potatoes because that’s an addictive carb, but you can eat sweet potatoes. I do have somebody who write in on the Facebook Page, about the sweet potatoes and the woman was very nice which she said “I don’t understand, sweet potatoes have carbs and if you look at the nutritional information it’s not that different.” Well they are different it is well known and there is a whole section on the book about sweet potatoes, it is well known sweet potatoes treat diabetes whereas white potatoes cause diabetes. The glycemic index of white potatoes is extremely high and the glycemic index of sweet potatoes is not. Pure and simple, you want to treat diabetes you eat sweet potatoes, you want to get diabetes, you eat white potatoes. The carbs are not the enemy, certain carbs.

N: Certain carbs being addictive, just like heroin or some other hard drugs.

R: Yes.

N: They just like with any addiction, what are these steps that you take to eliminate this carb addiction? I mean you just don’t cut them off cold turkey or do you?

R: Well excellent question. Look once you understand and you accept the reality of the addiction which took me many, many, many, many years okay. Once you accept the reality of the addiction you have to go to the same steps as any addiction center or treatment program and that is you have to go to withdraw, then you go thru a learning period where you’re going to deal with you addiction, and then you get into maintenance which is a long term issue okay. So you’re gonna have thru withdrawal, there is no question that’s not gonna be easy but it’s not gonna be that hard, I mean when you go to when you have heroin addiction or you have alcohol addiction okay, and you go in to rehab well let’s face it your gonna go into DTs, when you go through that, that’s very, very, very unpleasant. In this particular case you can still eat carbs, you can eat there is this whole point of the shakes in the diet and I want to be clear, because this is sometimes I know that it gets distorted. The shake is not the diet, and the diet is not the shake. But everybody makes a big thing about the shake, the shakes, the shakes, the shakes. And the shakes are great, but it’s not the whole diet okay? So for 3 days you go on the shakes, and those shakes have a flavoring like chocolate. My kids slimmed fast because they like the taste, plus fruit as much fruit as you can possibly get in and milk of one sort or another. Now personally I used an almond milk, but you want to use skim milk fine okay, and that’s how you break it. So you’re taking the high carb meal because you’re using all that fruit, okay and some sort of milk, and I knew there are some carbs in you know in the milk, so if you stick to the lower, low fat milk it’s gonna be less common, I think it’s better you drink almond milk, but that’s well if you need to drink skim milk that’s fine also.

N: How do we break that cycle of you get a steak, a beautiful steak and?

R: Ah, how do you break the cycle?

N: Yeah.

R: You can have the steak with a sweet potato but you cannot have a steak with white potato, that’s the cycle – there is no discussion. It’s just like if you were talking to an alcoholic, I mean if an alcoholic said you were going out to dinner tonight, and I’m just gonna have like a couple of whisky, so I’m gonna have a couple of glasses of beer, no, you can’t! You’re an alcoholic you can’t have it okay? So you go out for steak dinner, you can have the whole steak dinner. No you cannot have a baked potato with it, I’m sorry. That’s the problem, you have to respect the reality, you cannot have a potato and you cannot have bread with it, that’s the problem with being an addict. And until you accept the reality that it’s addiction that causes you to gain weight, you will never be able to stay thin, you might get thin but you’re just gonna gain the weight back.

N: Now as we wrap up Doctor, does you book address different levels of addiction? Is one reading of the book good for all types of people or do you address that people are different and maybe addicted to different types of carbs, or at a different level of their addiction?

R: Yes. Well I mean I have a question in the book where I ask people to pick the foods that they have in the list and you pick from the list and you choose the particular food that you feel that you’re addicted to. Obviously if you give up bread and you never eat bread, that’s not gonna help very much. If you give up potatoes and you never have a potato, that’s not gonna help. You have to find the food that you’re addicted to, and yes I do list the various possibilities in the book and you can pick what you have to give up. Even if you just give up one food that you’re addicted to, it’s gonna make a dramatic change in your life. No, everybody is different there is no question about it, it’s not just that easy where you can just do it. But the point of the book is to understand that this is about addiction. And once that you understand that it’s addiction, it’s not just about going on in another diet and that’s the problem with all these fad diets. You want to really lose a lot of weight fast, go on and ask them, okay. But I’d like to see somebody who’s going out and kept the weight up to 20 years, it doesn’t happen.

N: And where can our listeners get a copy of Addictocarb Diet?

R: you can buy it anywhere, at the book store, it’s on Amazon, it’s on Barnes & Noble. I don’t think it’s a problem getting a copy of the book.

N: Thank you. You’ve been listening to Health Professional Radio, I’m your host Neal Howard. We’ve been in studio talking with Dr. Bruce Roseman, he’s been a Family Doctor in Private Practice in Manhattan for over 30 years. Affiliated with Mount Sanai Hospital where he holds joint appointment in the department of Family Medicine and Ob/Gyn. He is also the Author of the “Addictocarb Diet,” you can get a copy of the Addictocarb Diet anywhere books are sold. And you can also check out www.addictocarb.com for more information about the Addictocarb Diet, as well as recipes, questionnaires and more information. It’s been great having you here with us today Doctor.

R: Thank you so much.

N: Thank you. Transcript and audio of this program are available at healthprofessionalradio.com.au and also at hpr.fm and you can subscribe to our podcast on iTunes.

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