Shedding New Light on Conventional Treatments for Chronic Pain [Interview][Transcript]

Guest: Dr. Daniel Twogood
Presenter: Neal Howard
Guest Bio: Dr. Daniel Twogood graduated from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1973 with a degree in physical education. He graduated from Cleveland Chiropractic College in Los Angeles in 1983. He began practicing at the International Spots Medicine Institute in West Los Angeles where he treated many of the athletes in the 1984 Olympics. He opened his own practice in Apple Valley, California in 1985 where he discovered the diet/pain connection. He has written four books, the latest is Chronic Pain Gone 90 Days.

Segment overview: Dr. Twogood discusses what Chronic Pain is and why conventional treatments sometimes prove to be ineffective.


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Neal Howard: Hello and welcome to Health Professional Radio. I am your host Neal Howard. So glad that you could join us today. Many of us suffer from pain not only periodically but on a chronic level. Our guest in studio today is Dr. Daniel Twogood. He graduated from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1973 with a degree in physical education. He is running his own practice now in Apple Valley, he started in 1985 where he discovered the diet/pain connection. He has written four books the latest of which being “Chronic Pain Gone in 90 Days.” How are you doing today Dr. Twogood?

Dr. Daniel Twogood: I’m very good, thanks for having me on.

Neal: Thank you so much for joining us today. You have a degree in physical education, were you teaching physical education in schools? What were you doing before you discovered this chronic pain situation that you’re helping so many people with?

Dr. Twogood: Well like many people who are in college I changed my major probably three or four times, one of them was chiropractic which is what I am now. I studied physical education in the hopes of being a coach. And then I got way laid and went back to chiropractic school and where my interpretation of what I learned in school is what my job was to eliminate pain. And so I started off and practice with that goal. And I found out, I learned that my practicing that my techniques and the methods I learned in school worked really really well for regular pain. And then there was this group of patients, a certain percentage of them that’s suffered with various forms of chronic pain that just didn’t respond to anything I was doing. And so rather than the choices are just keep doing the same thing which is basically what conventional medicine does – more pills, more therapy, more time off at work etc. I decided that there had to be an explanation for grown men coming into my office with severe back pain who reported to me that they haven’t done anything that just the pain started on its own. So I asked more question and I came up with what you call the “diet/pain connection.” We assume that physical pain is cause by a physical stress – bending, lifting, twisting, falling etc. then I found out that there’s a big huge chemical component to it and that is, that it’s a chemical reaction to a specific pro-inflammatory substances. So at first I thought it was a rare occurrence but as I started looking in that direction I found out that, no there are many many cases and so I started writing books about it.

N: When we’re talking about chronic pain, are we talking about a pain that say happens once or maybe twice every week or is it something that is ongoing you wake up it’s hurting, go to sleep it’s hurting. And you just kind a start to live with it unless some type of relief is discovered.

T: Right. Well there’s been many definitions of it but both of those who will suffice. Basically what we use as a definition now as pain is lasting a lot longer than we expect. Now certainly a lot of people want to get better quickly and they’re kind of bombed out and when their pain last longer than the usual. But when it last longer you can tell there is something wrong, you have this back pain before it went away either with treatment or without. Now this time it didn’t go away on its own, it’s not going away. It’s the kind of pain that keeps coming back and it’s a nagging pain. And the other definition of the chronic is that you could been to doctors and they really don’t know what are these. So either give you a diagnosis that is hopeless like fibromyalgia or rheumatoid arthritis or just chronic back pain. And so that’s the kind of pain that were talking about that’s puzzling and isn’t matching. And the other thing that happens is it doesn’t really match what you’re doing, like I said before you do nothing one day and it hurts a lot and the other day you do a lot of work and it doesn’t hurt. So it’s a very puzzling kind of pain.

N: In all of these years and years of studying pain and medical procedures, medications, exercises and what not. How is it that doctors are still stumped and puzzled as to how you know this pain started and even more importantly why are they puzzled as to how to stop it?

T: Well that’s because basically there’s I have simple categories. There’s two kind of pain there’s “regular pain” and there’s “chronic pain.”

N: Okay.

T: Regular pain is the kind that bump your head, stub your toes, strain your back, twist your ankle – it goes away in a reasonable period of time usually by itself, we’ve all experienced that. Pain is the indicator light that comes on that says your body is being injured or stress or about to be injured or stressed.

N: Yeah.

T: And so when you put your hand on the hot stove, the pain comes on and say “Hey gets your hand off the stove.” Chronic pain has the kind that just doesn’t get better. And the problem in there their both so similar in the quality of the pain and the fact that they’re both cause by the inflammatory process, that doctor just keep treating them the same way only for a longer period of time. But the difference is chronic pain is stuck in the inflammatory mode. And so doctors have their tools they use for that like chiropractic care, acupuncture, anti-inflammatory drugs, pain pills, etc.

N: Uh huh.

T: And we’re stuck in a mode were we keep doing that over and over and over again. It’s obviously not working. It’s kind of like trying to put out of fire that’s camp fire you can put out of fire with water and dirt that works really well or you can let it burn itself out. The chronic pain’s fire is like a fire that’s being fed by a leaky gas line.

N: Uh huh.

N: And so you keep putting water on it, you keep using conventional techniques and it’s not working because when you finally figure out that there is a pro-inflammatory substance, the gas being the fire then you can solve the problem, you can say “Oh well we don’t want to pour more anti-inflammatory substances on this fire. We want to eliminate the pro-inflammatory.” So there’s the basis of my approach to this chronic pain condition and doctors just haven’t caught on to that yet. We still have this mentality in this country that if there’s something wrong with you, you have to add something to your system to get rid of it rather than subtract. So my approach is subtract, find out what’s feeding the inflammation eliminate it, let the body heal itself.

N: Recently one of our basketball greats here past away Darryl Dawkins “chocolate thunder.” Now I was not at the game where he did his first phenomenal dunk and just shattered the backboard.

T: Smashed the backboard.

N: Within the next season different backboards had been designed, more flexible glass had been designed, the rules had been changed. He had break away rooms and things of that nature. It seems to me that there are so many things that improve once a problem is found with a little bit of research and a little bit of ingenuity. Why is it that with so many people suffering from chronic pain and so much study being done, why is it that we still cannot come upon something that treats chronic pain?

T: Well again that’s the big puzzlement to me too. The foundation of modern medicine gives that, if there is something wrong with you a medical doctor is going to take a history, examine you, come up with a diagnosis, do some tests and then they’re goanna prescribe something specific for you to swallow. They don’t say you have high blood pressure and high blood sugar I want you to go take some pill, they write down very specifically what they have to take in order to solve that problem. So while their approach is to swallow substance that are goanna affect the change, they failed to realize that everything else you’re swallowing has an effect on you too, either to the point of nursing you or poisoning you. And you can ask any patient cause I ask them all the time, patient who have migraine and the digestive upset they’ve been to all medical doctors. And I asked them and I said “Did they ever ask you what you eat?” And they said “No, they never do.” So I don’t know why that taboo with conventional medicine. But they’re suggesting that you swallow specific substances, I don’t know why the leap hasn’t been made to realize that everything else you’re swallowing has an effect on you. And it’s right there in glaring example on TV if you watch primetime TV and you watch that drug commercial that are in invaded on the TV, all of them are the same. For 10 seconds they tell you how wonderful this pill is and the rest of the commercial is the warning for possible side effect.

N: Absolutely.

T: As if you listen to the Cialis commercial one of the side effect is delayed backache. Why does the light bulb go off in somebodies head and staring of that and go “Hey you mean back pain can be caused by a chemical substance?” and that’s what I’ve discovered.

N: When conventional medicine is saying “Hey swallow this in order to affect a change.” Your discovery says “Hey swallow this as far as food is concerned as opposed to this” as far as food is concerned and possibly eliminating medication altogether.

T: Right. Well the goal of eliminating medications because they’re all poison to a certain degree is just true. However when we talk about change in the diet people are always asking that, they say “Oh okay I understand now.” So what’s specific food are anti-inflammatory, what should I eat, should I eat pineapple, how about green leaves all this stuff? Again we’re stuck in the mentality that you have to add something to this perfectly designed being in order to affect a positive change. It’s not true, it’s just subtract. So my approach is that there are no miracle foods that just swallow other than the natural food that exist on the planet. The problems with our health come from swallowing substances that either “allergenic, immune irritating, or toxic” and that’s where we come up with high blood pressure, skin diseases, chronic back pain, etc. So it’s a matter of figuring out what these substances are and eliminating them and then letting the body heal itself. So that’s the concept that again, when you look the holistic medicine people think “okay I’m not gonna take pharmaceuticals instead I’m gonna take supplements.” My approach is I don’t even use supplements, it’s like no we just subtract what’s causing your problem, like a person who coughs. You can say well lets prescribe a cough suppressant but when you find out they’re smoking 2 packs of cigarette a day, it makes more sense for them to stop smoking.

N: Absolutely.

T: And they don’t have to add anything, just stop smoking and you will stop coughing.

N: Now as we wrap up this segment I’d like to ask you a couple of questions. The first of which being as a chiropractic specialist, have you seen more of an acceptance of chiropractic methods in some of the people that practice traditional medicine, that’s my first question. And my second question is in your latest book ‘Chronic Pain Gone in 90 Days,’ 90 days, 3 months many people have been suffering from a certain type of pain for years. And you’re saying that it is quite possible to eliminate this chronic pain within three months period, right?

T: Yeah. So to the answer to the first question personally, I don’t see any of these saying “oh yeah chiropractic is great stuff.” I do see it on occasion. And other chiropractors report it that they see it more and more. I think the big motivating factor that’s driving patient to acupuncture and chiropractor is not so much that they have a lot of faith in these alternative methods, is that they realize now that their medical doctors are only gonna be drugging them. And they’re finally getting fed up with that because what’s happening with the drugging is that when one drug doesn’t work the pharmaceutical companies are more than happy to make a much more powerful pill. So people have gone from aspirin to Tylenol to Vicodin to Solma to Norco to Oxycontin to Meth, all the bad drugs. So yet people are being geared toward alternative not necessarily by the professional because I still think healthcare for profit that has its problems and one of them is it nobody wants to lose patients. So that’s the answer to the first question. And the second question that everything that I do is based on my belief and observation that the human body as a really well built organism. You can throw it of the clip and it heals up. We’ve all seen healing mechanism happen and we know that if you cut yourself it looks horrible, the skin is open you can see the guts inside, it bleeds, it hurts it does all that stuff but you know what, it heals. And so my whole approach is remove the interference to healing and then the body will heal. And you look at almost every healing condition whether it’s a broken bone or whatever will heal within 90 days. The reason I pick 90 days is because some people have symptoms they come into my office that are caused by a medication their taking and for some reason sometimes it takes a longer time for medication to get out of their system. But well within 90 days you should heal as long as whatever is propagating this run-away inflammation is solved, you eliminate that like the gas feeding the fire, shut off the gas and the fire will burn out even though it’s been going on for years, it will go out in a reasonable period of time.

N: Where can our listeners get a copy of your latest book “Chronic Pain Gone in 90 Days” as well as your previous three works?

T: Well I have a lot of them on Amazon, you can get on there obviously. Barns and Noble has my latest book. Two of my books, one of them is the latest one “Chronic Pain Gone 90 Days” is available in all the electronic forms. You can get it iBook, it’s actually the cheapest way to get as a google app, you can download the book as a google app for 99 cents. But it’s also in iBook, it’s in Nook, Kindle, it’s all over the place. So if you just look up my name on the internet which is Twogood, you’ll see some of my videos, some of my YouTube interviews and things like that. So you can get some of this information but I want the information to be shared so that people realize that there is hope for chronic pain. You just stop the inflammation like I said by eliminating whatever’s feeding that inflammation.

N: You’ve been listening to Health Professional Radio, I’m your host Neal Howard. Our guest in studio today has been Dr. Daniel Twogood, chiropractor and author. The author of his latest work “Chronic Pain Gone in 90 days” as well three previous works. He is practicing now in Apple Valley California, where he discovered the diet/pain connection. And we’ve been here today discussing some of the causes of chronic pain and some of the reasons that well traditional medicine just seems to be ineffective in an ongoing way. It’s been great talking with you today Dr. Twogood.

T: Thanks very much.

N: Thank you. I hope you that you return and speak with us again sometimes.

T I certainly will, anytime you want.

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