Freedom from Anxiety [Interview][Transcript]

Dr_Johnny_Kenley_anxietyGuest: Dr. Johnny Kenley
Presenter: Neal Howard
Guest Bio: Dr. Johnny Kenley is a certified energy therapist, an applied kinesiologist, an acupuncturist, as well as a physician specializing in physical medicine. He holds an advanced degree in clinical nutrition. He has been interviewed on Russian, Estonian, Chinese and African television programs and newspapers. Dr. Kenley has held many positions including homelessness counselor and jail chaplain. Book royalties and income from his speeches go to the nonprofit Global Medical Aid and Education, which provides assistance to a medical clinic, and an HIV girls’ orphanage both near Nairobi, Kenya.

Segment overview: In this segment Dr Johnny Kenley discusses anxiety therapy and why he says “Talk is not enough and drugs do not cure anxiety.”


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Neal Howard: Hello and welcome to Health Professional Radio. I’m your host Neal Howard, so glad that you could join us once again today. Anxiety is epidemic among all of us, none of us seem to be immune. Anxiety keeps us stuck, it drains us of our life force, our happiness, our joy. Anxiety covers all social backgrounds, race, gender – it doesn’t matter. Anxiety is one of the major problems that we have. Our guest in studio today is Dr. Johnny Kenley, he is a Doctor with more than 25 years of experience and he says that talk alone is not enough and that drugs do not cure anxiety. He’s also an author, he’s newly released book “Freedom from Anxiety: a Revolutionary 10-Minute Process Returning Clarity and Ease to Your Life” published just this year as a matter of fact. And he is here with us today to talk about alleviating anxiety for good. How are you doing today Dr. Kenley?

Dr. Johnny Kenley: I’m doing very good Neal. Thank you.

N: Great, thank you so much for joining us today. When we’re talking about anxiety, sometimes is it you’re running around, willy-nilly you don’t know what you’re doing or is it you’re simply worried about something and not necessarily showing symptoms or does it run from the very least amount of anxiety or to just having well for lack of a better term a hissy fit?

K: (laugh) No, so anxiety is certainly is real. And this an epidemic that’s exactly like what you said. If you look at the number of people in the United States who are actually diagnosed and being treated for the disorder called general anxiety disorder that’s 50 million people. Now if you think about the rest of us the other more than 290 million people, we experience anxiety all the time every day. There’s not a person that is excluded. And anxiety is an emotion and that’s emotion where we sense unusual discomfort and like all emotions, emotions reside in the body which is not something that’s in your mind. You may have thought about something – your daughter, your son, your wife, your work, something like that – a thought and then you have something in the body that responds to that which in your body is an emotion and that emotion either fear or … So we talk about anxiety, anxiety itself is really a word for shade of fear, we could use tension and we could use stress, or we could use anger or many other words but …

N: Now you just mentioned several terms, that I don’t know if they’re interchangeable anxiety, stress, worry, anger fear, tension. We all experience tension just by getting out of the bed in the morning. I mean isn’t anxiety natural? It’s all around us and don’t we have natural coping skills to deal with this little bit of tension that we get just from having to get out of the bed, take shower, getting to traffic, deal with people at work. I mean it’s everyday stuff.

K: Right. And the thing with those is like because everybody is anxious, everybody is it the state of anxiety, we began to think it’s our normal state of being, when we just look backwards I don’t know if you have any children. But look around you at a 6 month old child, your neighbors, they’re not anxious, they don’t have anxiety and as life goes on as they’re conditioned, they’re conditioned gets the anxiety.

N: Okay, now when you say conditioned you say anxiety, is this a learned response or is it similar to fight or flight?

K: Okay so in fear itself is a natural response. So when a child is one year old or you and I, let’s say you and I and we’re driving down the street and someone walks up to our car with a gun, we obviously sense fear and we wanted to take a coping action … If we’re driving down the street and we’re worried about being hijacked every second in every travel, that is an anxious state of being and there’s not a place to live. So fear and anxiety about a situation is how we can rate at that given time, that’s natural that happens to all of us. It’s a response in our body that keeps us alive, so that is true.

N: Now I’ve heard it said that if you are feeling anxious, if you’re having anxiety, tension that you can basically talk yourself down. Is it just a matter of doing positive affirmations or why doesn’t that seem to work? If that were simply the case I guess we wouldn’t have such an epidemic of anxiety. How was it that you cope with anxiety not knowing that you’re not supposed to be in this state of anxiety all the time, we don’t know that.

K: It’s our … natural state of being, it’s joy and love so we live in this anxious thing. So you can certainly do a variety of things to mitigate that or cope, but it’s not going away. So certainly you can say affirmations, but time that you’re saying those affirmations you’re focus is not going to be on the thought that was creating the anxiety, so you remember anxiety in your body it’s not in your mind. So I don’t care how bad your thinking is about a situation, you don’t need to change your thinking. Thinking is there, the emotion is going to accept … the anxious state. So you can do affirmations, you can do … now meditation mindfulness are certainly beneficial, however the challenge is that not altering anything in the body which is where the emotion anxiety is launched.

N: In your book “Freedom from Anxiety: a Revolutionary 10 Minute Process Returning Clarity and Ease to Your Life.” You describe a system of anxiety relief called “REIN,” could you talk a little bit about REIN?

K: Sure. So “REIN” is an acronym for “Resolving Emotional Issues Now” with the emphasis on Now. And as I said before when we think of something, we have s response to it, either a loving response or fear response. And that is going to create change in the energy fields of your body which instantaneously in a billion of a second changes and put the emotion in your body. So what REIN does is that teaches you how you yourself can alter that energy field so that when you think the thought, when that crosses your mind the emotion has now been dispersed, discharged, dispelled, resolved, so that it does not exist there. So as an example I was in Russia last year and there was a woman that had a fear of elevators, she worked on the 8th floor and she lived on the 12th floor of a different building. So every day she went up and down the steps that’s probably very good for her exercise.

N: Very great.

K: But she didn’t want to keep doing that. And so she’s been that way for since she was 12, so she was 29, so that was 17 years. This was live on television, I brought her up she was one of the producers, we went through the range across it, there was no more 10 minutes and when I finished I said “Okay,” I said “So you have fear of elevators.” She said “Yeah, I fear elevators.” “Well take your friend here and walk over the elevator and go up and down.” So she walked over in the elevator and we didn’t see her for an hour and a half, she was just going up and down the elevator. Now the thought is still there, the fear of elevators, but the charge is not there, the energy field has been changed and the response to that fear, which resides in the body is gone. Because she just wants to have, that what she needed to do, and it’s gone …

N: Now talking about anxiety being in the body and not in the mind, what about these anti-anxiety drugs that are on the market that’s prevalent on the market? They’re everywhere, you see them in TV ads, in the print, on radios – everything is release stress, get rid of anxiety with this pill, that pill or the other. If it’s simply a matter of taking a drug to alter the body’s chemistry, why spend 10 minutes when you can just pop a pill?

K: Okay, you can’t. So all you have to do is ask yourself or have any of your listeners ask themselves “Have you ever seen an anxious person take a medication or take alcohol or take an illicit drug, take those and then have no anxiety anymore?” It’s there, it’s continuously there. Now those kind of numb you out and it blanks you out for a second or 2 or an hour, yeah of course. Because those drugs act on your body which is where the emotion lies, but they don’t act, excuse me, they do not solve from situation, they don’t resolve the emotion of anxiety or fear.

N: Okay. And were you always interested in being an author and putting this information out there thru print? Or were your exclusively doing it through your practice?

K: Well primarily my practice in the US I have been Physical Medicine and I do infectious medicine in Africa, … in Kenya. But several years ago, about 6 years ago I became interested in situation where my whole practice I saw there was an emotional aspect to pain.

N: Uh huh.

K: And so for a variety of reasons I … different approaches to alleviate that emotional aspect of the pain. In doing… psychology have begun in mid 80s and came together in 1999 … took various different aspects of that and required many other things that are new and developed this new program called “REIN” which I teach all over the world and I treat people in Africa and small communities.

N: Now Doctor as we wrap up this segment I’d like to ask you if many people are not aware that they are tense, that they are anxious, that maybe they’re even fearful or have a phobia and don’t really realize that it’s a phobia per say – what are they supposed to do if they’re not aware of their anxiety?

K: You know that becomes a tremendous challenge because as I’ve said before most of us, everybody around us is anxious. So we think that any sort of …. and we think we’re told by … you have to have some anxiety and stress is good, it makes you more do better.

N: Helps you grow.

K: Yeah, it helps you grow. It makes you a better person. And so it is a challenge and I think that most people at some time in their life hopefully will become aware they have it, but if you’re not aware of it, you only have to ask as some friend of yours like how do you perceive me? What do you think, I’m an anxious person? And they will tell you, absolutely yeah, you act like this all the time, every time as I go to you, you’re yelling at drivers. Other people notice it, whether you are aware or not. But the thing it a can be resolved and it does not take months and years of talk therapy because anxiety is not in your mind, it’s not just thinking, and it doesn’t take any drugs so.

N: And where can our listeners get more information about your book and about your practice as well as REIN?

K: Okay. So the name of my book is “Freedom from Anxiety: a Revolutionary 10 minute Approach to Return Clarity and Ease to Your Life,” and you can get that through in print or Kindle. On my website Anxiety Solutions now there’s lots of information on coaching ides, the half day workshops, and other workshops, watch and learn program that I do … and it works. The beauty of this is about knowing, I can say I think something that is okay, but when I say I know it that takes on a complete really different meaning. So when you have a problem and you say I know it, I think feel strong, while you say I know it’s gone, there’s a huge difference. And when you use the REIN process, you immediately know not a matter of like well maybe or 30% or what have you, your anxiety is gone.

N: You’ve been listening Health Professional Radio, I’m your host Neal Howard. And we’ve been in studio today talking with Dr. Johnny Kenley, a Certified Energy Therapist and Applied Kinesiologist and Acupuncturist as well as a Physician specializing in Physical Medicine holding an advance degree in clinical nutrition. And we’ve been here today talking about what actually anxiety is, how it is not a condition of the mind even though it is said that is one of the most prevalent mental health conditions. We’ve been talking about how the body is actually the main thing affected by our anxiety. And we’ve been talking about ways to alleviate anxiety without drugs or years and years of self-talk. It’s been great having you here today with us today Dr. Kenley.

K: Thank you very much Neal.

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