Impact of the Economic Recession in our Mental Health [Interview][Transcript]

Dr_Carole_Lieberman_Economic_Recession_Mental_HealthGuest: Dr. Carole Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H.
Presenter: Neal Howard
Guest Bio: Carole Lieberman, M.D. is a Beverly Hills psychiatrist who wears many hats. Besides treating patients, she is a bestselling author, TV personality, radio talk show host, expert witness and competitive equestrian. Her books include Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, How to Live with Them and When to Leave Them; Bad Girls: Why Men Love Them & How Good Girls Can Learn Their Secrets; and Coping with Terrorism: Dreams Interrupted. She is currently at work on a new book, Murder By TV: A Descent Into Madness, a first-person account of her journey as the defense expert witness in the Jenny Jones talk show murder trial.

Segment overview: Dr. Carole Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H., who is known as “America’s Psychiatrist” talks about the never-ending recession and its impact on families (domestic violence, substance abuse, depression), as being one of 3 top psych problems facing America today.


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Neal Howard: Hello and welcome to Health Professional Radio. I’m your host Neal Howard, thank you for joining us today. The holidays are upon us, and many of us are expected to well incur some pretty sizable debt followed by just a few months to get it all together financially, just in time for the IRS. Our guest in studio today is returning to talk with us, Dr. Carole Lieberman, also known as “America’s Psychiatrist.” She is a published author, as well as a psychiatrist in Beverly Hills, a bestselling author as a matter of fact, books including Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, How to Live with Them and When to Leave Them; Bad Girls: Why Men Love Them & How Good Girls Can Learn Their Secrets; and Coping with Terrorism: Dreams Interrupted. She is here today as a returning guest to talk with us about some of the psychological problems that she deals with either through practicing psychiatry or through her radio show Dr. Carole’s Couch to be heard on or in one of the many television appearances or other radio show appearances. How are you doing today Dr. Lieberman?

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Fine, thank you.

N: Thank you so much for returning with us. You know as America’s Psychiatrist, you deal with many people that are dealing with some very, very serious troubles as far as mental health is concerned. And you deal with some of this people as an expert witness or at least for those that need someone with your expertise, as an expert witness in some very high profile cases dealing with psychiatric issues – mental health issues – someone maybe has committed a murder or something such as that. When you’re dealing with all of this people, when you’re dealing with depression, a substance abuse, domestic violence – how are these things well compounding any mental problems that we’ve got going on that may not have been that big to start out with? But they compound simply by having all this stuff tucked on day after day after day.

L: Well there’s been an increase in some problems like domestic violence, and child abuse, and depression of course. Largely in the last several years, largely related to the recession that we’ve been having in America.

N: So basically once again the problems follow the money and you find the problem. I mean, because it’s always been said “Well lack of money, lack of employment breeds crime.”

L: Yeah.

N: And with crime comes violence and the domino effect. Is this exactly the same thing? The recession is causing all of this other, depression, domestic violence, the abuse that’s going on?

L: Well yes. I mean what happens is that, well first of all part of the problem that’s been it’s been lasting for so long. We hear news reports that were out of it out, out of any recession or getting out of it, hopefully we’re getting out of it. But most people really aren’t seeing any major improvement in their financial situation. So what that does is for people especially for men who lose their job, it totally takes away their self-esteem, it takes away their masculinity, it emasculates them.

N: Uh huh.

L: And makes them feel angry, and frustrated and more likely to take out this anger and frustration on their family thru domestic violence, thru child abuse and … we’ve been seeing an increased in murder suicide. Men killing their whole families, mainly because of shamed that they aren’t able to be the bread winner or aren’t able to, they’re about to lose their house and other kinds of problems like that,

N: Uh huh.

L: Because they’ve lost their job. And…

N: Now are we seeing this increase and is there a percentage wise where it’s attributed to lack of money, lack of income, demasculation due to such or are we taking look at some of those same things that occur in people that are well on at least for outside appearances doing okay?

L: Well it happens. Those kinds of problems happen in all socioeconomic levels.

N: Uh huh.

L: You don’t have to have lost your job to be…

N: To kill your whole family.

L: Yeah, right. Or to be a wife abuser, but that’s sort of the newest thing. I mean it’s not it’s that new anymore, it’s been a number of too many years. But that’s something that has been happening recently that’s making these problems that were there before, even worst. And it’s just even look at it also in another way, I mean our society is t0o materialistic. If we were more focused on spiritual kinds of things, on being good to our neighbors, and appreciating nature, and appreciating things in life that are free and acts of kindness and passing them on and all kinds of things like that. I mean yes, there are people who are paying attention to that thing thank goodness. But there is this overriding materialism that is making the recession worst. It wouldn’t really have a bad of an affect, if we had our priorities straight, to keeping up with the challenges, keeping up the appearances.

N: Uh huh.

L: I mean, not so much of it too that people so much of the population lives beyond their means and that it doesn’t take much, too much of the reversal to not be able to keep up these appearances.

N: It was just a pay check way from bankruptcy, yeah?

L: Right. (Laugh) right.

N: (laugh) You’re the author of several books, Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, How to Live with Them and When to Leave, also Coping with Terrorism: Dreams Interrupted. You’re working on another book currently, is that correct?

L: Yes, I’m currently working on a book called “Murder by TV: A Decent into Madness.” It is my first personal story my journey as a psychiatric expert witness for the defense in the Jenny Jones Talk Show murder trial. That was the first and classic case of a murder being related to in that case a talk show and then a talk show have morphed into reality shows. And there have been numerous, there had been murders not necessarily numerous murders, but there have been other subsequent murder. And there had been numerous other problems for that people who have experienced after they have been on reality shows. And so this is the story of, first of all, it’s a story of the justice system, and some of the injustices and how hard it is to get a fair trial. Like it’s not all about what goes on behind the scene, both on the justice system and of course on the Jenny Jones Show, where also they didn’t want to take responsibility for what happened, denied responsibility. In fact footage that I was given as an expert witness indicates the opposite. So there are a lot of bombs that are gonna going to explode when this book comes out but it’s actually timed to come out in 2017 when the man accused of murder is up for parole. And I’m hoping to be able to show some of these things to help with the decision that he should be granted parole. And in fact he has done an incredible job behind bars, getting an education and playing in a band, and just being the liaison between the inmates and the authorities in the prison and so on. He’s been a model prisoner. And I am pleased that through my demonstration of his having had diminished capacity at the time of the crime.

N: Uh huh.

L: And there is a whole story about that, that I was able to get the jury to see that he do not deserve first degree which is what he was charged with, but he got second degree instead. It was really a man slaughter that he should have gotten but in any case at least he got second degree.

N: Have you ever been able to draw any correlation between say the never ending recession and the desire for our entertainment to be edgier and more raw and I guess more real, even if some of us don’t really believe that it’s real at all? I don’t think that on TV is unscripted, but I could be wrong in that. (Giggle)

L: Well that’s interesting. You’re talking about reality shows. I mean it is true that television is undergoing, it’s a horrible problem in that there are so many channels now. Not to mention iPad’s and iPhone and all of that, there is so much of delusion of the market of the viewers. And television is having a problem with that and the recession of course added to that. And so reality shows, just like talk shows before them, reality shows are a lot cheaper to produce than scripted comedies or dramas and so that is the part of the recession. And not to mention that a part of us does like – misery likes company – part of us does in a sense, like to see the other people are having problems in their life as well. I actually consult to a reality show, full disclosure here (laughing). I consult a reality show called “Paternity Court,” and that is one of the shows that is trying to make sure, is more responsible and is trying to make sure that these kinds of things, like what happened with Jenny Jones don’t happen. I help pre-screen the guests, and I do crisis intervention when the guest walk off the set after they learned the DNA result – I do crisis intervention with them. So it can be done in a more responsible way.

N: Not like that other guy that will remain nameless.

L: (Laughing) Yes, you mean the one where there are fights?

N: Yeah.

L: You two need a fight break for.

N: Yeah. “You are the father!” That one (laughing)

L: Yes. This goes a little deeper and cares more about the people.

N: You’ve been listening to Health Professional Radio, I’m your host Neal Howard. We’ve been talking in studio today with Dr. Carole Lieberman, known as “America’s Psychiatrist” – on a mission to help people gain insights into themselves in order to solve the problems that they’re facing. And she is been here with us today talking about how the never ending recession has had a huge impact on families on so many different fronts, including domestic violence, substance abuse, depression. And even violence that can stem from well, being on television shows or seeing the news. It’s been a pleasure talking with you Dr. Lieberman.

L: Thank you, same here.

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