Guest: Dr. Dave Jenkins
Presenter: Wayne Bucklar
Guest Bio: Dr Dave Jenkins is an integrative physician, an expert in the science of optimal health and longevity and a member of the American Association of Anti-Aging Medicine. He is passionate about helping people achieve optimal health now and into a long vital future. Dr. Dave’s findings have profound implications for the way we live. He challenges the current disease based medical model with scientifically based strategies synthesized into a simple and doable plan suitable for individuals, families and companies. Dr. Dave’s innovative and radically different mission has resulted in winning many awards including the prestigious Rainer Arnhold Fellowship for social entrepreneurs.
Segment overview: Dr. Dave Jenkins and Miki Okuno have created THE MORE MODEL to combine the most powerful and proven behaviors of the healthiest cultures with the latest in health science. Their mission is to utilize the latest health science to measurably improve the vitality, productivity and longevity of individuals, families and businesses. They want the world to benefit from these scientific breakthroughs and stop wasting time on ineffective supplements and techniques.
Health Professional Radio – The More Model
Wayne Bucklar: You’re listening to Health Professional Radio. My name is Wayne Bucklar and my guest joins me today from actually Indonesia, he is Dr. Dave Jenkins. And he is an Integrative Physician and an expert in the Science of Optimal Health and Longevity and a member the American Associated of Anti-aging Medicine. He’s also medical director for The More Model. Dave welcome back to Health Professional Radio.
Dr. Dave Jenkins: Good morning Wayne, good to be here.
W: Now that’s a mouthful of introduction. You better tell us something about what it is you do and what The More Model is.
D: The More Model really is a way of putting together the different interventions people or should be the way we living and synergizing the different behavior if you like, looking at the key behaviors of the longest living and healthiest coaches the so called “Blue zones,” and looking at which aspects of their behaviors are being confirmed of the new science and what we’ve done is develop a model based on those few things. And so we teach people how to live and it’s obviously being updated all the time and MORE stands for Movement, Optimizing your environment, R for Rest, Rejuvenation and E for Eating and Supplementation.
W: Uh huh, now the cynic in me says, “Okay what’s the evidence?”
D: Sure, well it’s definitely at the function, if you like to call it integrative or some people would also look at it as a functional medicine. Looking at medicine with a holistic approach rather than sort of allopathic linear model. And it’s turning out that most private biological systems don’t act in a simple process. And totally the best example I can give you is what we are working with now is … cognitive decline and so if you look at that model that’s come out of the … to San Francisco the neurodegeneration the model that their proposing is very, very integrative one where we’re looking at the mini parameters that are causing what we call xenoblastic and xenoplastic activity meaning that the … in the brain are either retracting or actually growing forward and improving in function depending on these multiple parameters. And what we’re showing now on over a 100 clinical cases of… and Alzheimer’s is that the symptom could be very significantly reversed to the point that people work are going back to work and even the hypothalamus which is one of the main areas of the brain that gets damaged and our … is growing in size and this has been … with functional and the MRI’s, etc. So that’s really area of The More Model that we are focusing on right now.
W: Now that notion of cognitive decline and dementia are various kinds. Certainly from my generation in our 60’s, that’s a big, big deal. Do you have any sense of how big that is in perhaps the Australian environment at present?
D: Well yes. All over the western world, the death rate from Alzheimer’s has been growing. Now this is partly because of the aging population, but also because of the way we live, the obesity rates, the diabetes levels. And so you look at the cause of the death and it’s been climbing for the last 20 years, now it is the second commonest death after heart disease in Australia, not only that it’s the most expensive. If you look at the amount of money put into someone from the diagnosis to the grave, it’s phenomenal. So it’s hundreds of thousands of dollars and so it’s looking in the next, if it carries on like within two decades, it will be 1% of the GDP, just this disease that’s how much it will cost, so it’s a very, very big deal, and think if you had it very meticulously categorized and investigated and metered are reversal of symptoms, there’s not cure. Those of people who gave up on the protocols, they started to deteriorate again, so we have to be careful with what the research are showing and not overclaim things but if people stay on the protocols, the longest person is now over 3 years and they’re still doing well.
W: That’s a kind of revolutionary news to me, and I have to admit my clinical years are like 30 years ago and in those days we were taught that brain damage was irreversible and the brain didn’t repair. It wasn’t plastic, that’s now kind of being widely disperse in plasticity as kind of reasonably well recognized. But the idea of reversing dementia symptoms is pretty extraordinary isn’t it?
D: It’s absolutely extraordinary, and it’s certainly one of my inspiring advances that I’ve been involved in and 35 years in this and what it means it should have huge ramifications. Now at this point there is no drugs involved. There are some drugs in the pipeline that are looking promising but it’s unlikely that they will be solely a solution. So if we look at the protocols how this has been reversed, cognitive decline has been reversed, you need to be able to do a lot of investigations into people. It seems that three are types of Alzheimer’s as far as this model is concerned – An inflammatory response, metabolic abnormality and there’s a third which is present differently that’s what we call more of a cortical presentation which in younger people which is a toxic and even now they have clearly shown a number of cases where at the fundal which inhalation cause and someone whose probably genetically susceptible and… in treatment has reversed the symptoms. So there’s three different types, so what we do with client is quite extensive investigation into their metabolic parameters, such things as vitamin D, homocysteine, insulin and fasting and slow levels and looking at abnormalities. So I’ve got a client right now who is low vitamin b12, who’s high in homocysteine, who’s got a little bit of insulin resistance so when we correct this things what happens at the molecular level, professor… who’s really the key discoverer of this model…of this model what he is showing is that the signaling into the synapse gets turned on and it will also turns of the destruction of the synapse, so well at the osteoporosis were you have the building up of synapses which actually turns of the taking away or the negative impact on synapse, so you can turn into a virtuous cycle if you like.
W: You’re listening to Health Professional Radio, my name is Wayne Bucklar and I’m in conversation with Dr. Dave Jenkins, an Integrative Physicians and Expert in the Science of Optimal Health and Longevity and a member of the American Association of Antiaging Medicine. He’s also a Medical Director for The More Model and we’ve been talking about work reversing the symptoms of dementia in aging. Dave it’s fascinating to hear that this stuff is coming together, normally there is a difficulty in finding funding in this and it doesn’t include the possibility of a patentable drug at the end of the line, has funding been an issue?
D: Yeah, this is a problem. This is very, very early days. So as I said I’m flying to San Francisco in a fortnight to sit down with the…and we’re talking about how to propagate this into obviously to meter of things and we’ll be having discussion about how to bring this to Australia. We’re already seeing clients so we’re providing a service and we’re not advertising at yet until we sit down with …but he has some financial support and were putting together software, and an app in fact it’s already done. So that’s going to enable us to be able to scaled up, so all the parameters that are punched into the software, there’s a certain waking provided an outcomes a sort of clinical protocols if you like which is gonna be more customized to each individuals. And then a lot of behavior changes involved, so yet to being partner with coaching organizations to get people to change their diet, their exercises, their sleep and a multitude of things that come together to create this affect.
W: It does sound like extraordinary work. Now my favorite question in every interview Dave is about misconceptions. What’s the biggest misconceptions amongst your customers, clients, patients that drive you nuts and keep you awake?
D: The misconception, (Laugh) well I think that the thing it’s a mindset that we should really that is most frustrating that we can just wake up and go through life without thinking about the impact on our physiology, our biology, our health, and not taking health as the number one priority until it’s too late really. And that’s what really lead me into integrative medicine as I got sick of going to my patients’ funerals and people in their 40’s and dying of heart disease when we knew it was largely preventable. And so I think that’s my frustration, is that not only with it’s really with our society that we have allowed thinking to become the norm that we just wait until we get sick and we go to the doctor, diagnose something, gives you a drug or surgery and we limited our self in thinking. We need a bigger vision, we need to address the real issues that are coming down here now, we need a different vision, and I think functional medicine, the more holistic approach understanding biological systems that how they integrate and work together or against each other sometimes that is definitely a better of task in the current model of medicine to my mind. And I think this cognitive decline absolutely shows that the biggest problem is going to be running sufficient research. I know that Oxford University and a very prestigious Cleveland Clinic are starting trials on these protocols. They look at the science, they’ve discussed in detail …now the problem is again the mindset of research is that we can only choose one, two or three parameters. There’s over 25 parameters so when there has been a chance to do double blind cross over trials for these protocols will be turned down by the research institution saying “Well you know Professor…talks about this. You don’t know about research.” And he says “Well you don’t know about Alzheimer’s.” It’s a multitude, a whole combination of parameters that we have to get it right. Each one creating a little effect but developing synergy right down at the molecular level to create synapses to literally grow, hypothalamuses to literally grow over time. It takes consistently between 3 and 9 months to see result. So it’s showing some consistency as far as that’s concern as far as the intervention is concern which is very reassuring for those of us coaching client right now.
W: Well let’s hope today we can start a few conversations around the world about that misconception and see if we can at least have some conversations about the complexity of multi varied research in these field. David it’s been a pleasure having you here with us on Health Professional Radio, I do thank you for your time.
D: Thank you for the opportunity about that talking about this. I think it’s gonna be a very interesting and challenging road I hope we will lead without drugs like you say, there is you know where is the budget to start having the conversation, and where is the budget to continue the research. But we have now with Professor…is got hoping to have…and patients under this protocols in the next 1 year is already reserved 110-132 the level of 90% reversal – it’s extraordinary. So thank you for the opportunity of that.
W: It’s pretty spectacular result, yes?
W: Now Dave how can people get in touch with you if they want to know more about The More Model?
D: Okay well themoremodel.com you’ll see that website.
D: My email is [email protected] and definitely message me and I’m sure people will be hearing about this in the future.
W: And that website is just as it sounds themoremodel.com
W: Thank you very much Dave for your time. If you just missed my conversation with Dr. Dave Jenkins, the good news is on our website we have a transcript of this interview. There’s also an audio archive of the interview on both YouTube and on SoundCloud and you can find links to all of those at the Health Professional Radio website at www.hpr.fm. You’re listening Health Professional Radio, my name Wayne Bucklar and thank you for being with us today.