Presenter: Neal Howard
Guest: Mindy Gorman-Plutzer
Guest Bio: Mindy Gorman CHC, CEPC. AADP/THE FREEDOM PROMISE – Certified Health Coach, Certified Eating Psychology Coach and Nutritional Consultant in private practice. She provides insights and practical tips to transform disordered eating.
Mindy Gorman-Plutzer discusses how restrictive eating, dieting, and extreme exercise does not work. She talks about productive methods to treat eating disorders.
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Neal: Hello you’re listening to Health Professional Radio. I’m your Host Neal Howard, so glad that you could join us today. There a lot of places on the Web that you could be and you chose to be with us and for that, I’m grateful. Our guest in studio today is Mindy Gorman-Plutzer. She’s a Certified Eating Psychology Coach and practicing currently in Manhattan now. Her certification as an Eating Psychology Coach comes from the Institute for the Psychology of Eating, which is the world’s leading school of Nutritional Psychology. Her Health Coach and Nutrition Credentials were earned at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition and that’s the world’s largest nutrition school. How are you doing today Mindy?
Mindy: I’m doing very well Neal, thank you. How are you?
N: I’m doing well. Thank you so much for returning with us once again. When it comes to Disordered Eating, when you were here before and we were talking about eating “mindfully.” We’ve talked a little bit about your experiences and what prompted you to write your book “The Freedom Promise: 7 Steps to Stop Fearing What Food Will Do to You and Embrace What It Can Do For You.” I’d like to talk with you a little bit about how it is that you advice your clients. I mean everyone is different.
N: You see hundreds, you helped hundreds of men and women. You’re helping even more with the book. Disordered Eating isn’t generalized. What are some of the steps that you take upon first consulting with a client?
M: The first step is to realize that everybody has a different story.
N: Uh huh.
M: And very often, we are attached to that story in such a way that we’re continuing to behave in such a way that perhaps no longer serves us.
M: So one of the first things I do with the client is help them to find that place of awareness.
M: You know, “Why are you here? How do you feel about being here? Are you ready to let go of what’s no longer serving you?”
N: Uh huh.
M: And very often I do that by asking them to write an autobiography of their relationship with food.
M: So that we can review it and see where some of the beliefs are that are perhaps keeping them stuck in a place that have no value anymore. They might have at one point in time and we need to respect that, and respectfully let it go.
N: Okay. So you’re saying that just because something was important to you or significant enough to you, say years ago, causing you to eat in a disordered fashion – that doesn’t necessarily mean that by the time they arrive at your door that those same things, those same motivators are significant. It could be something totally different or something that they are not aware of?
M: Absolutely and you know sometimes Neal, it’s something as simple as being told as a child that you need to finish everything on your plate.
N: Well most of us hear that.
M: Yeah and you know what kind of message that sends?
N: What’s that?
M: That sends a message to a child that they are not capable of knowing what’s right for their body.
M: Okay. So yeah, there are children starving all over the world and Mom might have stood on her feet for hours and hours after a tough day after work to prepare this meal but we need to be able to say “I’ve had enough,” “Thank you, I’ve had enough.” So that there very often starts the negative message and the negative believe system. The next step is hunger. Looking at hunger, the true physical hunger and I outlined in the book that there are several types of hunger. There’s physical hunger, there’s emotional hunger and there’s toxic hunger.”
M: Okay, go ahead and get to toxic hunger because I’m anxious to learn a little bit about that.
M: Okay. So “Physical Hunger” is obvious. “Emotional Hunger” is somewhat obvious I’m sure to a lot of your audience. You know, what are you hungry for? Is it a connection? A hug? Love? “Toxic Hunger” comes from when we are, our bodies are so inundated by processed and chemicalized foods that we basically go into withdrawal when we’re not having them and we crave more.
M: So that’s “Toxic Hunger.” So it’s about – first is the awareness, the second piece is recognizing hunger and another big piece about hunger is that so many dieters, chronic dieters – you know, people that have been dieting most of their adult lives – have thought themselves to deny hunger.
N: Okay, now when you…
M: They had taught themselves not to honor it as a biological wonderful process. Hunger and appetite are synonymous with life.
N: Now do you find in your practice when you’re talking about this people that want to deny their hunger, they’re denying it even when their basically starving simply because of their body image or are there other factors?
M: Well there are quite a few factors. They think that if they don’t eat, then they will achieve the body of their dreams which is totally physically counterproductive – which is another topic. You know, very often a dieter is afraid of their hunger because they’re afraid that if they give into it, they won’t be able to stop…
M: … once they start eating – which comes from not trusting yourself with food. So I don’t trust myself with food therefore I will deny my hunger. If I don’t deal with my hunger, I won’t have to deal with the fact that I can’t be trusted with food.
N: Okay. When you were talking about the message that we send to a child as far as eating everything on your plate – sending the message they are not capable of knowing what it is good for their body. Becoming aware for what’s good for the body, good for the mind and everything – it’s a gradual process. And as you go through your childhood, there all these other factors that shape you. Many of which, not just food, but relationships, how you view your parents, your friends and everything else. People that seem to gravitate toward food in order to comfort themselves – they’re surrounding themselves with food. What about some of the other things that you talk about in your book, “Surrounding yourself with things that make you feel good?” You talked in another segment about certain things, or in this segment, about your clients being told to discover what makes them feel good and go for it.
M: Exactly. So you know, I talk about it as “Personal Nourishment.” What makes you feel good that’s not served on a plate? Is it a walk on the beach? Is it a walk in the outdoors? Is it a good run on a treadmill? Is it taking warm clothes out of the dryer? Is it a green juice? What is it that will help you feel nourished -a talk with a friend, the conversation with your partner, or the boss that you’ve been putting off for a long time? What can nourish you? What can make you feel complete that doesn’t have to come out of a box or a container or a refrigerator?
N: Okay. So it’s important to impress upon your clients, provided that they’ve gotten a copy of your book “The Freedom Promise: 7 Steps To Stop Fearing What Food Will Do To You and Embrace What It Can Do For You.” If you’re a healthcare provider and you’ve got this book, there are many things that you can implement in their practice.
M: Yes. Well at the end of the chapter, Neal, I have Actions Steps – practical steps for the reader to take. I refer to these steps as “embrace it.” There’s a Relevant Journal Question that pertains to each chapter. There are affirmations, I’m a big believer in positive energy and setting intentions. And then there are recommendations for further reading.
N: Okay, great. So there’s just a world of information even after getting a hold of your book. There’s more information available within your book as far as resources.
N: Great. Now as we wrap up, I understand that you’ve got a pretty great “Chili Recipe” and is very significant to you as a Nutritional Psychology Practitioner.
N: Tell us about this slamming chili that you’ve got.
M: Okay, it’s great. Besides being so incredibly delicious, it was the most eye-opening experience for me to create it the first time. I had stumbled upon this recipe a while ago and I was sitting on my kitchen counter and I’m looking at it and I’m thinking, “Oh, you know. Chilly, beans.” You know, in my old days I would not think it was the most weight-friendly food so I was putting off making it. Then I said, “No. I’m a healthy person now. I’m gonna make this chili.” So I went to the local Whole Foods and I bought all the ingredients and I start preparing the chili. And it’s got peppers in it and butternut squash, and kale and three different kinds of beans. And I’m following the recipe and tasting and adjusting and I actually even added an extra can of red kidney beans than what the recipe called for because I wanted it to be heartier and thicker.
N: There you go.
M: And it was incredible and as I’m preparing this chili and tasting and adjusting, it dawned on me that I have not given one thought to what this delicious pot of warmth was going to do to my body. It was all about the nourishing wisdom that was in this pot of delicious warmth so I renamed the recipe “Who Woulda Thunk it Chili.”
N: “Who Woulda Thunk it Chili.” Now, can our listeners get that at your website as well?
M: It’s on my website but it’s also in – it’s the only recipe in the book – because you know, it really has such meaning to the chapter which is about “Mindful Eating”, Chapter Four. And I love this recipe. In fact, I made it this weekend for a Family Holiday Party that we had. And I serve it with accompanied shredded cheese and guacamole and organic sour cream and everybody love it and took home leftovers and it just warms my heart and makes me smile.
N: Great. That sounds absolutely delicious and I’ve got a copy of your book and I plan on taking advantage of that recipe as soon as I can.
M: And you have to let me know what you think.
N: I absolutely will. You’ve been listening to Health Professional Radio, I’m your host Neal Howard. It’s been an absolute pleasure talking in studio today Mindy Gorman-Plutzer – Certified Eating Psychology Coach and her Certification as an Eating Psychology Coach comes from the Institute for the Psychology of Eating. And her Health Coach Nutrition credentials, were earned at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition and that’s the world’s largest Nutrition School. It’s been great having you here with us today, Mindy.
M: Thank you Neal. I really enjoyed it.
N: Thank you, so did I. Audio of this Program is available at healthprofessionalradio.com.au and also at hpr.fm and you can subscribe to our Podcast on iTunes.