Guest: Narelle Lee
Guest Bio: Narelle Lee, a health professional that is a hypnotherapist and a master practitioner of Time Line Therapy and how it can be used for a variety of applications to support allopathic medicine intervention and also weight loss intervention.
Segment Overview: In this segment, Narelle Lee explains timeline therapy – its purpose and uses. This type of therapy involves looking back in time through one’s memory aas to its therapeutic applications and also serves as a complimentary treatment. A very interesting segment that people ought to listen to and benefit from.
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Katherine: Today we welcome Narelle Lee, a health professional that is a hypnotherapist and a master practitioner of Time Line Therapy and how it can be used for a variety of applications to support allopathic medicine intervention and also weight loss intervention. Welcome to our show, Narelle.
Narelle Lee: Thank you.
Katherine: Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you first became involved with hypnotherapy and Time Line Therapy?
Narelle: Yeah, sure. It started really, I guess, as an extension to my [indecipherable 00:36] interests and the studies that I was doing around neuro-linguistic programming, NLP. And hypnotherapy sort of links beautifully with that. I was fortunate enough to be training with Dr. Tad James, who was the person who introduced the Time Line Therapy model back in 1988.
So, as part of the training, the master trainings that I was doing with him, gained exposure to Time Line. It’s just the most amazing model. The enormity of the applications, it is just extraordinary. So, that was really how I really came to be doing Time Line, particularly.
Katherine: Sure. For listeners who don’t know what Time Line Therapy is, can you explain a little bit about that?
Narelle: Yes. Time Line, well really where its power comes from is through therapeutic interventions that really help the client make some pretty significant changes, even sort of at very deep levels of personality. The whole notion of time is nothing new. It goes back to [indecipherable 02:02] to Aristotle. But anyone interested in psychology through the ages, right through Freud and Jung and through to Milton Erickson, who was one of the absolute leaders in the field of hypnosis, have been looking for ways of describing the human experience of time.
Really, essentially that Time Line comes out of how we make sense of time. And really, time, I guess it’s like we file our memories almost like a filing cabinet in our mind. That’s really how it all strings together. We’re made up of our memories, and our memories occur over time.
Katherine: Right. So during this therapy, patients are actually brought back in time and access different memories? Is that how it works?
Narelle: Yes, essentially. Actually back or forwards in time, pre-adding future memories, which is an extraordinarily powerful adjunct to goal setting. I guess in therapeutic applications and how it sits as a complementary therapy, it takes clients back, looking at the negative emotions and the limiting decisions that are in their past. We don’t associate down into the memory, so it is particularly powerful for trauma and things like that, because it doesn’t relive.
It’s not like some of the interventions that actually has the client relive the experience. It’s just not intended that the client relives the experience, but rather just taps into the emotion. By dealing with the negative emotions, we can effectively change their personal history and the way they perceive their personal history, which takes the sting out of the emotion.
Katherine: Right. This type of therapy works well with, like you said, maybe trauma situations or an event that happened in the past?
Narelle: Yes. Look, it doesn’t have to be in the range of what we would describe as a major traumatic event. I mean, it can be all sorts of little things that contribute to the string of memories. Where the value of it is coming from is it’s dealing with the negative emotions which effectively block flow to the energy in the body. The latest thinking in quantum biology is suggesting that emotions that are trapped in the body have a real possibility of creating functional blockages in immunology.
This then causes the brain to send the wrong signals or no signals from the brain to organs, which in turn certainly leads to discomfort and can lead to disease. So it’s extraordinarily powerful, but also some of the work that I do with executives is around anger. And the American Medical Association has acknowledged that negative emotions play quite a role in disease and then there’s a [ indecipherable 06:01] retro study about [indecipherable 06:05] of type A behaviours.
What they’ve come to and arrived at is that the anger is actually the root cause of some heart attacks as opposed to stress. It’s actually the anger in this type A personality that is leading to it and that’s what they’ve come out and said. So, it’s got a whole raft of applications. It also can be used to help bust up abusive cycles where there’s lots of negative emotions in there.
Like I said, they can appear to be quite simple. But they lead to feeling lousy, which can lead to overeating, smoking, substance abuse, other abusive behaviours that then set up a cycle. By going back and busting the first event and going back to the root cause, Time Line has the power to [indecipherable 07:13] breaking those cycles.
Katherine: Yeah. You use Time Line Therapy to assist and support allopathic medical interventions. Now for those of us, including myself, that is not too sure what allopathic medical interventions are, can you explain what that is?
Narelle: Conventional Western medicine, really. It sits alongside. I mean, there are some medical practitioners who welcome a complementary approach. It doesn’t [indecipherable 07:44], it doesn’t cure anything. I’m not a medical practitioner. I don’t cure people. I don’t do any of that. But what you do is assist the emotional side. Some conventional Western doctors see value in that. So, those that see value and that, I’m happy to work alongside. And certainly clients must be referred to me through the conventional medical system.
Katherine: Sure. Now you use also hypnotherapy, for different applications. Now some people who have never experienced hypnosis, they might be a little bit fearful of it. Because you’ve seen on TV when people do those live shows and they get people up onstage and they’re acting like chickens, you know what I mean? People are afraid that while they’re under hypnosis they might be asked to do something that they don’t want to do and they’re a little fearful of this. How can these fears be put at ease?
Narelle: I think, well, one of the first things is to understand that we all really do spend a lot of our day entranced in any event. No one can hypnotise you. I do hypnosis with clients, and a client can never be made to do something which is at odds with their whole beliefs or values. For example, I can’t go and make somebody be a bank robber, who doesn’t already have a predisposition to do that. I mean, we are all, I believe, suggestible. Some of us are more suggestible than others.
Really, what people don’t see with some of the stage hypnosis is that there’s a lot of work that goes on screening the audience before that so that the people who end up onstage are people who are highly, highly suggestible. But I tell clients who first come to me who are a little nervous about it that we do some very simple, I guess, tests to show them what it’s like, just simply having your arm raise or lower or just very, very simple things.
I also [indecipherable 10:20] the scripts that I use to take a client deeper into hypnosis is that I always tell them that they are perfectly safe, they can come out of it at any time, and all of that. There’s a lot of reassuring words that go into it, that as the client’s going deeper into hypnosis, certainly puts them at ease. It’s a deep state of relaxation. Most, I’ll daresay all of my clients, come out of it and go, ‘oh, wow. I feel great’. It’s just that real ‘huh’. And that’s really what it is. It’s a very deep state of relaxation.
Katherine: Right. I’ve heard of people, actually some of my friends, that have used hypnotherapy to give up smoking successfully. Are there positive results achievable for people who, say, overeat or they’re wanting to lose weight?
Narelle: Definitely. Definitely, and in fact I was reading something the other day and weight loss is an area I’m very interested in. The non-invasive, the Hypnotic Mind Band, which is the nonsurgical alternative to a gastric band, is a very powerful tool for people who are probably [indecipherable 11:50] would be where I usually would draw the line. The results that people who’ve experienced the Hypnotic Band are actually more effective on the long-term basis than the surgical intervention.
The reason for this is that the hypnotic approach spends a lot of time on mindset and causality and uses behavioural therapy, particularly in the pre-surgical sessions, to [indecipherable 12:35] relationship with food. Whereas surgery, whilst most packages will throw in a bit of time with a psychologist, they’re not really, I find, getting into the root cause of what the real relationship with food is about. That’s where the most fundamental change comes from.
Katherine: Sure. Why is it that for some people hypnosis has great results and for others, they say they’ve tried everything, nothing works. Is it because one person is more committed than the other? Is it because they go in with a different mindset or goal?
Narelle: I think there could be, yes, there could be a little bit of that. Lately I’ve had some clients who also just, unfortunately, expect one session to be the silver bullet. That’s not generally the case. I will tell them that, ‘yes, you may see some results, but you really need to commit to a little more time with this’. So, that can also be a reason. The other one is that they may not have actually dealt with the real root cause. They’ve dealt with some superficial triggers that tend to feed, or other things, but they haven’t really got down to the really, really deep root cause.
For some people that can be very confronting. You know, some of those root causes have been there for quite some time and they’re very well hidden. Alternatively there is still some secondary gain coming out of the behaviour. On some unconscious level they’re getting something out of it and it’s continuing to serve them on some level.
Katherine: Yeah. Well, Narelle, thank you so much for joining us today on Health Professional Radio. It was really great to talk to you about hypnotherapy and Time Line Therapy.
Narelle: Happy to be here.